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want to be in a situation where the government is determining that someone who wants to put his ideas on television cannot do that. that is one of the things of campaign finances. the campaign finance system may not look perfect, but when you look at the alternatives, i don't know that it is a good idea to have the department of justice determining -- that they cannot do that. when you start moving into that constitutional right, that is when it starts getting ugly. >> even on our side, there has been money in elections for forever, lots of money going back as long as we can. it can go back to george washington and there are stories on how george washington, the night before, they were buying barrels of beer and celebration on how they got out the vote. i don't think either side necessarily thinks that the money itself and having many and doing it the way we need to do campaigns is necessarily evil. it is about disclosure. it is about how these things are funded. if we want to support an ad, ok, the supreme court, free speech, .ut up an ad pai i am in one of the super pacs. we do it b
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